Good evening! The question is, can bolts from alloy wheels be used on dies?
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Can. When purchasing it at the dealership, I put stamps on it for the winter and screwed it on with the original bolts.
and to find out more precisely, screw the bolt without the wheel into the hub, twist it so that it doesn’t touch anything, measure how much the bolt is screwed in, then insert it into a steel disk, look at the thread exit inside.
It’s definitely possible on a Priora, I’ve been doing this for the 6th year now.
Check it using the “POKE” method, it’s not that difficult, and most importantly it’s quick.
I put. This is not the first year.
The issue is the length of the bolt. I have longer bolts for casting. So I have 2 sets. Long for summer, short for winter.
Nothing will stick
I wouldn't risk it. There shouldn't be a problem at the front, but the rear pads may bend. I had this on a Prior, although the West’s drums and brakes are not VAZ ones. IMHO you should go to the salon and ask them, or maybe even ask them to unscrew it from the minimum configuration and compare.
Lada Vesta rolled off the assembly line in 2015. Belongs to the class of domestically produced sedans. This is where the general ends, and the specific features begin.
An alternative to the Lada Vesta standards
Standard wheels do not suit every car enthusiast and, of course, the question arises about alternative models.
It is important to understand that before performing the manipulation of changing wheels, you need to decide whether the car will benefit from this. So, it is very popular to install wheels with dimensions that do not comply with the recommendations of the car manufacturer. Many motorists are sure that this allows them to optimize the car; is this really something that needs to be sorted out?
Firstly, if the car owner decides to replace standard wheels, he should choose tires whose tread pattern is close to the factory ones, has similar characteristics and has the same degree of wear.
When changing the width of the disk, do not forget that not only the appearance of the car changes, but also some properties, and not always for the better. Therefore, it is worth remembering the rule - if you increase the diameter of the rim, decrease the height of the tire. If this is not done, then the tire may hit something during a turn, because the wheel arch was not designed for such changes.
Tire sizes
Wheel with standard tire size for Lada Vesta. The arrow indicates the tire size.
- 175/70/R15;
- 205/60/R15;
- 185/60/R16;
- 195/55/R16;
- 175/55/R17;
- 195/50/R17.
At first glance, it may seem difficult to understand such a set of numbers. It must be taken into account that we are talking about common tire sizes provided for the Lada Vesta. Not everything is so hopeless. Let's try to get to the heart of the matter.
Tire sizes
The first digit, for example, in the fourth position is “195”. This means that the width of the tire itself is 195 millimeters, or 19.5 centimeters. The next combination “55” informs about the tire profile and says that we can’t get around without a calculator. To calculate the profile or height of the rubber, you need to calculate 55% from 195 millimeters. 195x55% = 120.25 - the rubber profile is a little more than 12 centimeters.
Everything is clear with the last number - the diameter of the tire rims is in inches. 2.54x16=40.64 – the diameter will be almost 40 and a half centimeters. To be sure, you can measure it with a tape measure. In addition, there are additional notations after the above encodings. It can be written like this: 195/55/R16 88N or 195/55/R16 88T.
Basic dimensions of wheel bolts on Lada vesta:
As a standard, Lada Vesta is equipped with bolts with metric threads, diameter 12 (mm), thread pitch - 1.5 (inches) and radius between bolts 100 (mm).
Characteristics of Lada Vesta wheel bolts:
- External thread diameter: 12 (mm);
- Thread pitch: 1.5 (inch);
- Number of bolts: 4 (pcs);
- Radius between bolts: 100 (mm);
- Disc offset: 60.1 (mm).
Important: the number of revolutions when tightening the disc bolts should not be less than 7-9. If the speed is lower, the risk of losing a wheel while driving increases.
Parameters of standard bolts
A distinctive feature of this car is the use of bolts rather than studs with wheel fixing nuts. Sometimes it happens that standard fasteners need to be replaced for some reason. In this case, before purchasing, you need to familiarize yourself with the characteristics of the bolts. Otherwise, serious trouble may arise.
For example, bolts with an inappropriate taper can cause spontaneous unscrewing. As a result, the disk can become disconnected while driving. Which threatens a serious accident. As a result, it is advisable to avoid such situations. Choose the right bolts and tighten them well. Standard parameters of standard elements:
- cone inclination angle, degrees – 60;
- edge width, mm – 17;
- thread length, mm – 28 mm;
- thread pitch, mm – 1.1 mm;
- total length, mm – 56 mm.
The cost of 1 bolt can range from 150 to 250 rubles - this applies to original ones. There is also a wide selection of different analogues on sale. Before purchasing such products, it is advisable to familiarize yourself with all their characteristics. It is also advisable to study reviews. Only then purchase.
Some drivers opt for sets with secret locks. These are found on sale quite often. When using new bolts, it is advisable to lubricate the threads with a special graphite lubricant. This will avoid souring and prevent various problems and difficulties. It is also important to carefully monitor the security key.
The influence of wheel parameters on ride quality
When choosing an alternative to standard wheels and tires that have a different size, you need to think not only about the appearance and impressive diameter, but also about how the replacement will affect ride quality.
Purchasing a larger diameter rim makes the car more stylish in appearance and improves its ability to hold the road. At the same time, the steering becomes more accurate and responsive. But the larger diameter disc has a drawback: when hitting uneven sections of the road, the driver feels less comfortable.
Wheels for Lada Vesta
Of course, during operation there always comes a time when it is necessary to change the main components, in particular the wheels, the wear of which is affected by weather conditions, as well as the structure and condition of the roads. And some car owners prefer to dilute the standard equipment of the car by changing the wheels.
So, if a car owner decides to update the design of his car, it is recommended to use the following types of tires and wheels:
- Alloy wheels must be 16, 17 inches.
- Tires 175/55/R17 or 195/50/R or 175/70/R16 or 205/60/R16.
As for wheel rim models, the following are perfect:
As for winter equipment, narrow tires are recommended for the Lada Vesta; they have high stability at low temperatures and contribute to better traction in conditions of ice formation.
Acceptable tire sizes
| Wheel diameter | Width height |
| R15 | 175/70 |
| R15 | 205/60 |
| R16 | 185/60 |
| R17 | 175/55 |
| R17 | 195/50 |
Knowing certain parameters of tires and rims, the problems of replacing wheels on a Lada Vesta car can be avoided. The manufacturer allows the installation of a large number of dimensions within the wheel diameter R 15 - 17. Some even manage to fit 18-inch models into the car.
It all depends on the desires and capabilities of the buyer. Properly selected wheels are the key to safety on the road. It is advisable to avoid mistakes and installation of unsuitable wheels and tires.
Igor
The order was placed quickly, confirmation of product availability came just as quickly. In appearance and quality, I was satisfied with the product, BUT I went to buy it blind. No photographs, no manufacturer's article, only internal code.
Maximum and minimum possible parameters of non-standard disks
The use of 15 and 17 inch wheels is allowed. It is only important to be careful when choosing tires. It should be noted that the remaining parameters, excluding the width, must be strictly observed (central hole, number of holes for bolts and the distance between them, etc.). Only the width of the disks differs. It is also possible to install the disk at 16.
It is theoretically possible to install larger wheels, but this is not advisable. It is allowed to temporarily install wheels with a diameter of 14 inches. But the use of wheels whose parameters differ significantly from the standard ones for which the vehicle is designed can lead to decreased handling and other problems.
In addition to standard tires, it is allowed to use others recommended by the manufacturer:
for sedan and station wagon:
The installation process does not have any differences. You can use tires with different speed ratings - both T, designed for 190 km/h, and H, designed for 210 km/h.
Before purchasing new disks, it is advisable to familiarize yourself with all the intricacies of selection and installation. If the purchase is made via the Internet, it is worth studying the photo. This way you can determine whether a particular type of wheels is suitable for your car.
conclusions
Installing non-standard tires and replacing wheels for Vesta is quite a difficult issue. If an alternative is found, then it is better to “measure everything seven times” before “cutting it off.” Arguments about the need to improve the style and performance of the car are not decisive. Safety and good road stability are the most correct selection criteria.
185/65 R15 88T, H
195/55 R16 87, 91T, H
* Speed indices: T – up to 190 km/h, H – up to 210 km/h. Load capacity indices: 88–560 kg; 91–615 kg.
In September 2021, the “LADA Vesta Operating Manual dated 09.09.16” was posted on the official website, in which an addition to Table 1 appeared (more about this):
| Specifications | Meaning | ||||
| Engine | 21129 (1.6l, 16kl) | 21179 (1.8l, 16kl) | |||
| Transmission type | MT JH3 514 | MT 21807 | AMT 21827 | MT 21807 | AMT 21827 |
| Tire size | 195/65R15, 205/55R16, 205/50R17 | ||||
Unsuitability of disks of other models of the Lada line
Wheel rims of size 185/55/R15 from the AvtoVAZ Grant, Priora and Kalina models cannot be installed on the Lada Vesta, even though at first glance they seem suitable. The diameter of the hole for the wheel hub of these cars is 58.5 mm, that is, 1.6 mm less.
But, even if this hole is bored on a lathe to the required size, the bolt pattern (PCD) of these products is 4x98, not 4x100, and 3 of the four mounting bolts will not be centered relative to the mounting holes, accordingly, the disk will not be aligned with the hub, and its rotation will be accompanied by beating.
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The bolt pattern is not visible; the bolts are hidden behind a decorative plug.
16 6x16'' 4x100 DIA - wheel bolt pattern on Lada Vesta.
Now we've reached the most interesting part. What kind of word is this incomprehensible babble? We are talking about the principle of fastening wheels, in this case, stamped steel or light alloy wheels with dimensions 4x100.
Here “4” is the number of fasteners and bolts. “100” is the diameter of the circle along which the fastening elements are located. The bolt pattern is exactly the same as that of the Renault Logan, which also uses 4x100.
Matching alloy wheels
On the basic configurations of the Lada Vesta, as an additional option, wheels with the following markings 16 6x16'' 4x100 DIA from K&K are installed; in the Lux configuration, alloy wheels from the same manufacturer can be installed.
We are talking about a leader in today's Russian market, which manufactures its products using high-pressure casting. Installing wheels of a different non-standard size will not be difficult, and this method is used quite often.
Wheels from other Lada models, even if the diameters match, will not fit at all , since they have two significant differences:
- the holes for the wheel hubs of Vesta are 1.6 mm larger;
- the diameter of the bolt circle will be 4x98, not 4x100.
Some Kulibins try to bore holes and re-drill. Such manipulations lead to incorrect alignment and runout of the disk during rotation.
Selecting alternative drives
What might be suitable? As has probably already become clear, the best choice is standard wheels and tires, which are fitted, designed, and adapted for this model. If you want exclusivity, then responsibility for the consequences falls on the owner of the car. With such a decision, it is important to carefully calculate everything.
Disc offset
ET=ab/2, where a is the distance between the inner plane of the disk and the plane of application of the disk to the hub, b is the total width of the disk
When purchasing, you need to take into account the width of the element itself, as well as how much it will protrude beyond the dimensions of the car.
If the value is less than the standard value, while maintaining the required width, then stability will be better, but the load on the hub bearings will increase greatly. They will quickly fail and can cause serious damage.
Acceptable values for reducing this indicator are allowed by 5–7 millimeters . Our bolt pattern will be critical, it must be exactly the same, otherwise installation will also be impossible. It will be a waste of time and money.
Suitable wheels for Lada Vesta car
Factory wheels on Vesta have different characteristics for different configurations. In the classic and comfortable configuration, 15-diameter rims are installed. The luxury version offers 16 wheels.
There are no differences in width and reach between cars of different price categories. These dimensions are 6 inches and 5 cm. The bolt pattern of the factory wheels on the sedan is 4x100. This designation indicates that there are 4 bolt holes located on a circle with a diameter of 100 mm.
Speed and load-carrying indices for the first two 88H trim levels. The index table shows that with this designation the tires have a maximum permissible speed of 210 km/h and can withstand a load of up to 560 kg. The luxury version is characterized by a speed rating of 91, which increases the load capacity by 55 kg.
The luxury version comes with alloy wheels from the factory, while the rest have stamped wheels. It is allowed to install a rim produced by other methods: forging or stamping. The main thing is that the recommended parameters are not exceeded. Alloy wheels for Lada Vesta are supplied by the domestic brand K&K. This is the country's best casting manufacturer with twenty years of experience.
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Advantages of a larger diameter
As for the positive aspects when installing enlarged disks, these include:
- Increasing stability when driving a machine;
- Increased dynamics;
- Improving the appearance of the car, the efficiency of systems such as ABS and ESP;
- Increased suspension service life;
- Reducing braking distance.
When purchasing wheels for a Lada Vesta, you should pay special attention to the bolt pattern, as it is fundamentally different from the one used in AvtoVAZ models released earlier. Thus, the wheels on the new line of cars are secured with four bolts, the sizes of which correspond to the sizes of the bolts manufactured for Korean-made cars.
An excellent addition to the Lada Vesta will be wheels made of light alloys from PDW. It develops models for domestic cars, so the wheels fully comply with VAZ standards.
In conclusion, it should be noted that the manufacturers of the Lada Vesta have created a completely modern and high-quality car, on which good quality alloy wheels are installed. Therefore, if you decide to change the image of your car, you need to take care of an equally worthy option.
Tightening fasteners on alloy wheels
After selection, before installing the bolts and nuts into the seating sockets, you will need to lubricate them with graphite lubricant. Thanks to this, when the elements come into contact with the disk, they will be able to scroll, providing a more reliable fit and will not lock due to friction.
If during installation you encounter a problem with the size of the bolts on the wheel disc not matching, you can solve it by purchasing eccentric bolts (having a movable cone). For example, if the PCD size in the discs is 97 mm, and 99 mm is required, the eccentrics will compensate for this value due to the cone that is on the product. The presence of a minimum distance between the internal fit and the outer diameter of the element will provide the possibility of movement, indicated on the product with the word Variation.
Size of wheels (tires and rims) for Lada Vesta, factory and alternative
When purchasing new tires and rims for the most popular Russian sedan Lada Vesta, you must carefully follow the recommended specifications. There are a number of parameters that affect the handling and safety of passengers. For Vesta, wheels with a diameter of 15 and 16 inches are available.
And the best thing is to follow the rules for installing new parts prescribed by the manufacturer. These requirements include restrictions on the size of the installed rim and tires, and the material from which the wheel parts are made also matters. Today, car stores offer a variety of types and types of car wheels. This article will help you figure out how to choose new ones so as not to worsen ride quality and safety.
Dimensions of standard wheels
On the conveyor, Vesta is equipped with wheel rims of dimensions from R15 to R16 with a width of 5.5 to 6.5 inches. The ET offset is in the range of 40 - 50. As for the bolt pattern, it is the same for all modifications of the car - 4x100 mm. The diameter of the central hole for landing on the hub is 60.1 mm.
AvtoVAZ recommends using only original wheel models with standard dimensions for its cars. Otherwise, the plant does not guarantee the performance and safety of using such parts.
Tips for using tires and wheels from AvtoVAZ
The Volzhsky Automobile Plant has established a list of wheel sizes in diameter and width, as well as the sizes and pressure values of rubber tires that can be installed on the Lada Vesta. The manufacturer regulates the following parameters:
- the size of the tire profile, its diameter, as well as the width of the protective tread; AvtoVAZ advises not to allow such pressure in the tires, which differs significantly from what is indicated in the vehicle's passport recommendations. Using such tires for a long time, the driver thereby worsens the stability and controllability of Vesta.
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Another nuance that can affect tire pressure is a worn spool valve, which allows air to leak. It is recommended to regularly check the condition of the valve. Installation of new tires is carried out at a service station, or independently using the appropriate equipment. After replacement, it is recommended to have Lada Vesta wheels balanced at a dealer station.
Installing larger diameter discs
Large rims not only change the appearance of the car, but also affect its dynamics, maneuverability, and stability on the highway, and not always for the better.
When deciding on their installation, you should know the basic principle - the larger the diameter of the disk, the lower the height of the tire profile, because the size of the outer diameter of the wheel is tied to the size of the wheel arch - when turning, the tire should not touch or rest against anything at all steering wheel rotation range.
Testing the Lada Vesta over the course of a year showed acceptable wheel size options:
17-inch wheels were installed on the Concept version of the Lada Vesta. Technically, this sedan can also be equipped with R18 wheels, but the outer diameter of this wheel (669 mm), as well as the tire width (235 mm), differ significantly from the factory values and cannot be considered in the real conditions of Russian roads due to the too low profile as practical - defects in the road surface will quickly damage both tires and wheels, the price of which, due to their size, is several times higher than the cost of standard ones.
The effect of large-diameter wheels and low-profile tires on a car
- increasing the style of the car and the effectiveness of the exterior;
- improvement of driving qualities - dynamics, road stability, steering sensitivity;
- better “absorption” of potholes compared to a smaller radius;
- with a tire profile from 55 – increased durability of the suspension;
- reducing the braking distance;
- increasing the efficiency of ABS and ESP.
- uncomfortable driving due to sensitivity to road surface defects;
- restriction of use on roads with defective surfaces;
- the need for increased pressure control;
- greater need for kinetic energy at the start - higher fuel consumption;
- higher cost.
Low profile tire pressure
This parameter, ignored by novice car enthusiasts, is very important when operating cars with any tires, and especially with low-profile ones. The required tire pressure is always indicated by the vehicle manufacturer in the operating instructions and in an accessible place on the body, for the Lada Vesta - on the B pillar on the driver's side.
Low profile tires require increased attention to pressure, as insufficient pressure will make the wheels and suspension even more vulnerable to potholes and rocks on the road.
As many years of experience have shown, the pressure in low-profile tires must be maintained 15% higher than that specified by the manufacturer for wheels of the recommended size.
Standard tires and their features
Tires for the Lada Vesta are produced by the Belarusian Belshina plant; it should be noted that they were specially designed for this car, their quality has been tested on the roads. These tires were tested at Spanish testing grounds, showing low noise levels and stability. The type of tires used on the Lada Vesta belongs to the ART Motion brand, which means that Spanish quality standards are used in the production of rubber.
Let us outline the advantages that Lada Vesta tires have:
- High road handling in all weather conditions. This became possible thanks to the use of special arc-shaped grooves that are located on the inside of the tire. They play the role of a drainage system and push water away from the surface of the wheel.
- Vehicle stability on turns, which is achieved due to enlarged relief blocks. They are located on the outside of the tire.
- Minimum noise - achieved through the use of a special protector.
- The vehicle's directional stability is ensured by three longitudinal grooves.
- Low rolling resistance. First of all, it allows you to improve the speed characteristics of the car and reduces fuel consumption several times.
- The traction qualities of the tires made it possible to completely eliminate slipping and provide a short braking distance.
- The quality of rubber remains at a high level, despite its low cost.
Depending on the configuration, various tires can be used on the Lada Vesta. So, if a buyer decides to purchase a luxury version, he will receive a Continental size 195/55/R16, which are produced at a German plant and are one of the best on the world market. The factory equipment uses 16 and 17 inch alloy wheels from the K&K company, although the manufacturer of the Lada Vesta recommends using tires and wheels corresponding to size 16.
Caps for Vesta
Many car owners strive to ensure that their iron horse has a unique appearance. Not everyone has the opportunity to buy alloy tires, especially since high-quality models are not cheap, and alternative sizes will require different tires. In such a situation, it is optimal to put wheel caps on the wheels.
The main task is to improve the appearance. In addition to beauty, caps also perform a protective function, namely, they prevent dents, scratches and abrasions of the wheel rim.
Depending on the design, the cap can also keep excess dust off the brake pads, increasing their lifespan. As a rule, the cost of products is low. Usually the average price does not exceed 2,000–3,000 rubles for a set of 4 pieces.
