From the very beginning of sales, AVTOVAZ has been installing a modified VAZ 2182 automated transmission (AMT with version 2.0) on the updated Lada Granta family. “Robot” received a number of improvements and new operating modes, which had a positive impact on user ratings. The article presents reviews from auto experts and owners of these cars.
Reliability and operating features of the robot box in the Lada Grant
The design of a robotic gearbox is simpler than an automatic one with a torque converter: the cost is lower. Therefore, AMT began to be actively installed on inexpensive car models.
A robotic gearbox is a kind of compromise between a manual and an automatic transmission. The Lada Granta is equipped with a VAZ-2182 manual transmission. AMT (Automated Manual/Mechanical Transmission) is equipped only with cars with a 16-valve engine. How long the robot can walk on the Grant largely depends on its driving style.
Vesta "robot" - AMT
AMT for Lada Vesta was initially created only for the Lada Priora car. The fact is that the design of this model did not allow the use of full-fledged automatic transmissions, and the plans were to produce this car for a long time. To develop the “robot,” we took an ordinary mechanical box as a base and added a computer and drives from the German company ZF. The unit turned out to be so successful that it subsequently appeared on Grants and Kalinas, completely replacing automatic transmissions.
The AMT box has also reached the Lada Vesta. Successful operating experience of this unit made it possible to use it on more modern cars without any modifications. Among the technical features of the “robot”, it is worth noting the low weight - only 5 kg heavier than the “mechanics”, low cost - 20,000 rubles, versus 40,000 rubles for the JATCO “automatic”, as well as the simplicity of the design - a well-known gearbox and several controls.
Disadvantages of the "robot":
- When parking uphill, the car rolls back, so you need to fix the position with the gas pedal or hand brake.
Advantages of the “robot”:
- Protection against incorrect gear engagement;
- Two switching options are possible, fully automatic and manual;
- Possibility of sharp acceleration as on mechanics;
- One or two gear reset mode;
- Average fuel consumption is 6.5 liters per 100 km in urban modes and 5.1 liters per 100 km on the highway;
- The required oil volume is 2-3 liters, for automatic transmissions and CVTs from 7 to 10 liters;
- You can start driving immediately after starting the engine, including in severe frosts;
- Automatic adjustment of the transmission mode to the driving style of a particular driver;
- There are no vibrations in the gearshift lever;
- Ability to tow trailers or other vehicles;
- Quick gear changes, no jerking.
Features of the robotic gearbox:
The clutch closes very smoothly, even if you press the gas sharply; If necessary, you can manually reset one or two gears for quick acceleration; There is protection against engaging reverse gear when moving forward; There is a howl in certain gears, but it is several times less than in the “mechanics” from AVTOVAZ; The service life of the AMT is 10 years.
Disadvantages, breakdowns and problems of AMT
The robot inherited from the mechanics of the 2180 regular oil leaks from the seals. There is nothing much you can do; carefully monitor the lubricant level.
Sometimes the robotic box goes into a stupor and stops responding to commands. In this case, only flashing the control unit will help you.
Sometimes vibrations bother you when the clutch disc wears out at low mileage. Only replacement helps. In 2021, AvtoVAZ changed its supplier and the problem went away.
The following video will tell you in detail about the symptoms of sudden transmission overheating.
Most often, owners of cars with such a manual transmission complain about delays or jerks when switching. They are especially noticeable when driving in city traffic or when starting up a hill. Sometimes this robot generally behaves inappropriately, sometimes it will drop several gears for no reason, sometimes, on the contrary, it drives for a long time and strainedly at high engine speeds, without even intending to shift.
The second inconvenience is the lack of a rolling mode, as on a hydromechanical automatic transmission, which is so convenient in traffic jams. When a car slowly crawls in automatic mode, after releasing the brake pedal, everyone expects that they will move on, because the gearbox is in gear. But no, you need to press the accelerator. Update: version 21827 received a rolling mode.
Perhaps there is some kind of minimal sound insulation somewhere inside, I haven’t checked. I can only share my observations.
The most surprising thing for me is the complete lack of sound insulation of the roof. If you drive under wires on a cloudy day, the drops falling on the roof will make sounds as if something the size of an apple had fallen there. Well, in a summer downpour with large drops, it also drums so hard that Mashunya covers herself with a blanket, either so as not to hear the noise, or because it’s scary. Here is a video of one of these rainstorms that we experienced near Minsk.
Sounds from the wheel arches are clearly audible. The engine is not audible only because it operates quietly up to three and a half thousand revolutions. The sound of small pebbles hitting the door is perfectly audible.
In general, the cabin is quieter than in the fawn, but noisier than in the Rio. When driving on the highway you can talk without problems and this is the most important thing.
Mashunya is having a meal
It is very difficult to buy a new or at least used manual transmission 2182 at this point in time, just as there are practically nowhere qualified specialists for repairing such transmissions. Therefore, owners of out-of-warranty cars with a robot are left with a large-unit replacement.
The cost of spare parts for restoring the VAZ 2182 or AMT robotic transmission:
| Box VAZ 2180 | RUB 38,450 |
| ZF gear shift actuator | RUR 56,643 |
| ZF Clutch Actuator | RUB 35,756 |
| Large-unit replacement work (on average) | RUB 9,350 |
The price of parts for just such a box is briefly discussed in this review.
Advantages and disadvantages of AMT
“Robot” is installed on a wider range of Lada cars (Granta, Kalina, Priora, Vesta and XRAY) and has a number of operating features. According to AvtoVAZ, the robotic gearbox is distinguished by its simplicity, reliability and efficiency. In addition, the robot is easy to maintain, and its repair cost is practically no different from repairing a manual transmission. Fuel consumption corresponds to that of a manual transmission.
The disadvantages of this transmission are mentioned in reviews of owners of Lada Priora with AMT. An “automatic” changes gears with almost no loss of traction torque, but a “robot” cannot do this. It is this moment that car enthusiasts do not like. In addition, there are discussions about the hum and howl of the AMT.
Both transmissions make driving easier, which significantly reduces driver fatigue, especially in traffic jams. What transmission do you recommend for Lada cars? Let us remember that cable “mechanics” are famous for their howling.
AVTOVAZ presented an updated robotic gearbox. “Behind the wheel” found out what had been changed, and tried out robot 2.0 in action on serpentine roads and in traffic jams in the city of Sochi.
LADA > XRAY
LADA > Vesta
The Lada Brand Day event was held in Sochi, where the VAZ team presented an updated robotic transmission. This is what AMT project manager Vladimir Petunin told ZR:
“The automated gearbox was created jointly with partners from Germany: the main one is ZF, the co-partner is Porsche Engineering.
Porsche specialists were tuning the basic version of the transmission. Over the past four years, we have watched AMT advance in the market. We were interested, first of all, in complaints from users. To date, we have made a number of improvements that are associated with changes to the transmission control program.”
No fundamental changes to the actuators were required. However, there are still innovations in the hardware - the control controller now has not one, but two boards, and, of course, a different transmission control program. So owners of robotic cars will not be able to simply come to the dealer and reflash the box.
What did they change?
The “traffic” mode, or, as it is officially called, the Creeping mode function, which appeared this year, has been retained. The driver simply takes his foot off the brake pedal and the car begins to roll forward. The speed in first gear is 7–8 km/h, in second gear it is 14–15 km/h. When you engage reverse, this mode also works - the car crawls at a speed of 5–6 km/h.
In this case, the Creeping mode function is turned off automatically under one of three conditions: if you open the driver's door while driving, if you move the selector to neutral or tighten the parking brake handle. That is, suddenly the car won’t move on its own.
It is now possible to start in second gear, in manual AMT control mode. This is the so-called “winter” mode of operation of the gearbox. VAZ drivers promise that this will make it easier to start on a slippery road.
A sport mode (not to be confused with Kick Down) will also appear soon, which can be activated with a separate key on the panel. “Sport” will operate in modes A and M (automatic and manual, respectively). In this case, the electronics use other engine and transmission settings.
In manual mode, at maximum engine speed, there will be no forced upshift.
I purposefully looked for Grant with the AMT robot. And I didn’t regret it.
Review of the Lada Granta car (2018)
I was looking for a new or slightly used Vesta or Grant, but so that the car had ESP.
Granta ESP comes in Comfort or Luxe+Prestige configuration. No one had any comfort in Saratov. I didn’t hope for Lux, I definitely didn’t have enough money. I also wanted a robot! Yes, I wanted a robot. It is updated with AMT 2.0 and they always wrote in the reviews that it works better on the Grant than on the Vesta, since the Grant is lighter. And you were right! And then I come across a Grant from the trade-in in the Luxe+Prestige+AMT configuration. And the price is super, even cheaper than Comfort. Mileage 2300 km. Purchased in Tolyatti in December 2021, and it was February. Strange people bought the car and almost immediately took it to a Kia trail-in.
I previously had a lot of cars, I drove everything from Tavria to BMW X6. Great experience. Experience too. Due to financial difficulties, since 2013 I had to drive a 2004 VAZ-2107. But don’t get me wrong that after seven, any car is a plane. I try to be objective.
Now the sensations. I like the car. Car rides! The robot switches itself, nods or twists a little, but not annoyingly. That is, it’s not annoying at all. On the first day, it nodded slightly when switching from 2nd to 3rd gear, and if the slipper is on the floor, it easily turns up to 5000 rpm. The next day I tried to get nods from 2 to 3 myself - it didn’t work. Now the nods are even nice - I know I’ve switched gears. In a calm rhythm, it switches generally quietly.
Having read various reviews, I want to respond to the authors. The car is very different from the pre-restyling one. The ride is very comfortable over bumps and goes great in icy ditches - you literally don’t notice. I was never able to break through the suspension (though I didn’t even try). Someone wrote that there are no seals at the bottom of the doors; my configuration includes almost everything, including seals. Heated windshield is a thing! Parking sensors help a lot, since the stern is not visible. The noise level is high, no worse than in the Lacetti (I had it before). I drove about 400 kilometers, and the total mileage is about 3000. Nothing rattles or holds anything together. There's still a bit of a new smell in the cabin. Native music plays tolerably (well, tolerably), it connects well with the phone, you can hear me well during a call. I will describe the shortcomings (they exist) in the paragraph on shortcomings.
Now about ESP. That's great. Rowing on ice like that is awesome! From the previous owners I got Viatti winter tires on stamps 14. (Summer tires on Pirelli casting 15). In the yard, everyone grinds and gets stuck in one place, but I get out without any problems with traction control. Never had any problems! Hill start assist is a cool thing!
So my review is that it is a good comfortable car. This configuration is more comfortable. I like the seats. someone wrote that they are uncomfortable (they are new here), I can’t agree - they are comfortable, right in the shape of my back, they hold well (though the lateral support is not ice). A bit more. It goes well on the highway, although you need to steer slightly - it doesn’t bother you.
For its price there are a lot of advantages. But for its price (new) you can buy Vesta, but the truth is that the configuration is simpler.
Beautiful in appearance IMHO. Before the updated class! The trunk lid has also become better, now there is a number there and it doesn’t look so empty.
So far nothing is rattling.
Climate control perfectly maintains the temperature.
The robot works well.
Thresholds do not get dirty with dirt!
The trunk is gigantic. It opens with the key and the electronic button above the license plate. I installed the springs and now it rises on its own - it’s convenient.
What's missing in the top trim level is a touch screen with navigation. They stopped installing them altogether; the salon said it was because there was little demand. And they stopped setting cruise control, it’s a pity. Although it is described in the book!
Initially the SPORT button did not work. Changing the response of the box. Service with big eyes that they have not seen such a car in such a configuration and do not know what kind of button it is. But I ordered it and am waiting. It's been more than 2 weeks now. (A spoon of tar)
The rain sensor doesn't always work predictably; it doesn't swipe away when there's a lot of rain, or it swipes over clean glass many times. The light sensor turned on the headlights once in the sun and I didn’t understand why it didn’t turn off, I wiped the sensor - it didn’t help. And he shined his phone point-blank, but didn’t turn off the headlights himself. But then it just went away. I don't know what happened.
I advise you to buy. This set is so rare. You can take Vesta, but in a poor configuration (for the same money)
Another review about the model:
How did I come to buy a Lada Granta? I was looking for a car that was a) new, b) inexpensive (up to one million rubles), c) interesting in appearance. Now, of course, many people said that for a million you can get a used BMW, Audi and much more, but I wanted a new car. In that. read more →
Technical shortcomings - how else can you criticize Robot 2.0?
A small database of reviews about the second generation of the robotic box has already been collected. The first clutches have already fallen off, so be careful with this creeping mode. But that's not the worst thing. You just need to get used to the behavior of the box and understand how it should be operated without putting unnecessary stress on the main parts. Otherwise, there are still a lot of shortcomings that will apparently be eliminated in robot 3.0. I wonder if AvtoVAZ specifically left these shortcomings so that there would be something to work on further?
There are several general disadvantages of the new gearbox:
- the kick between first and second gears remains, before it was a failure, but now it’s a kick, but the discomfort from this change has not become less, there is a desire to drop the gas pedal;
- the reverse gear is engaged inadequately, the car is already rolling, and at this time the driver feels a noticeable blow, as if on an old Japanese automatic machine that requires major repairs;
- the creep mode in first gear is very aggressive, and this not only constantly affects the clutch, but also wears out your pads, since you have to constantly brake;
- the design of the unit may not be the best, since the assembly is Russian, so precise mechanisms and parts of foreign design may not take root in a domestic device;
- it is not entirely clear whether the device will withstand the loads placed on it; it seems that Vesta is too heavy and large for this gearbox, and this feeling is only getting stronger.
Features of the “behavior” of the robot after running in
As a rule, after running-in, the robot and the driver adapt to each other. The driver already automatically starts the engine from the neutral position of the lever and simultaneously presses the brakes. Gear changes have returned to normal and become shifts without interruption in the power flow or without “jerking”.
Some reviews regarding the “behavior” of the robot after running-in recommend not to “fall” on the gas pedal when starting to move, trying to quickly gain speed to switch from the initial speed to the next one. This manipulation does not give the desired effect, however, the transition from second gear to third and subsequent transitions will be carried out much faster, unless, of course, you reduce engine speed by releasing the gas pedal.
In traffic, it is recommended to accelerate within the appropriate gear for the traffic flow, which makes driving as economical as possible. In this case, the gas pedal can be used to control the robot, indicating the engine speed at which switches it needs to make.
Disadvantages of AMT
It is known that there is not a single unit or structure in nature that is free of shortcomings. There are also disadvantages to such a popular and sought-after AMT:
- You can’t get used to reprogramming: we put the comma ourselves.
If the driver intends to change the dynamics of the car or save the car's resources by reprogramming the AMT, he will be disappointed. It is impossible to reprogram this type of gearbox.
There is only one way out: without trying to adjust the AMT to your driving style, adapt yourself to some of the features of its functioning.
However, a reservation should be made here. After the car's warranty period expires, our craftsmen still manage to reflash the AMT electronic control unit. It cannot be said that this procedure is guaranteed to lead to improvements in car dynamics, but such attempts are made regularly by domestic car enthusiasts.
Low switching speed.
Those who are used to driving with an automatic transmission often complain that the AMT is too “slow.” This drawback is the result of software costs and is inherent in any automatic transmission. Unfortunately, here you have to choose between the presence of an “automatic” and the speed of switching; The modern auto industry, alas, has not yet come up with a third option.
Availability of manual mode.
When driving in traffic jams or on rough terrain, switching to manual mode for AMT is mandatory. Otherwise, the AMT will very quickly exhaust its service life and become unusable.
This minus can only be called a minus conditionally: some drivers, on the contrary, warmly welcome the ability to manually change gear in AMT.
Jerks when switching.
Sometimes, when changing gears, jerking is felt when the car is moving. The reason is that the gas was not released at the time of switching. This is not exactly a drawback, but rather a feature of AMT operation: it is important to learn how to not fully press the gas pedal in this situation.
- Poor performance on steep climbs.
When driving up a steep hill in vehicles equipped with AMT, the clutch may disengage. This happens when it overheats. It is for this reason that a robotic gearbox has the option of manual shifting. Again, this is not a flaw, but a design feature.
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DSG 7 - disadvantages
There are car enthusiasts who are not 100% satisfied with the performance of this transmission. What could they not like and what problems arise in the DSG box?
Is the DSG7 gearbox that good?
– The appearance of jerks and vibrations in the DSG when changing gears. This drawback is caused by the fact that the DSG clutch begins to wear out. The result is the same effect if you do not depress the clutch pedal when changing gear in a car with a manual transmission. In a word, the vibration spreads throughout the entire body, depending on the state of the clutch, and progresses until the gearbox completely fails.
– Extraneous noises under the hood. Mainly metal parts when driving over speed bumps.
– Reduced traction when accelerating the car. This problem is known to the developers and they promise to fix it soon.
AMT gearbox - what is it?
AMT - Automated Manual Transmission - automated manual transmission. Car enthusiasts call such a box robotic or, simply, a robot.
This is a reliable manual transmission, known since the very beginning of the automotive industry, but with automatic shifting. Simply put, if you are asked, “AMT gearbox, what is it?”, boldly answer: “It is a mixture of manual and automatic.”
That is, the gearbox is mechanical, but the computer depresses the clutch and changes gears based on its calculations.
It takes data from various car systems, analyzes speed, ABS readings, etc., and then, using force transmitting devices - actuators or also called servos, switches gears.
In AMT boxes, actuators are either electric or hydraulic.
Such boxes are installed on budget cars. And it is they who cause dissatisfaction among motorists and a skeptical attitude towards AMT.
The fact is that when accelerating a car, you may feel “freezes” when changing gears and even a decrease in speed at the most inopportune moment (for example, when changing lanes or overtaking).
There may be no traction between the engine and the wheels for up to two seconds, which impairs the car’s handling and irritates those who like to drive fast and harshly.
However, this is a good option for those who like a smooth and measured movement.
- A hydraulic robot (also called electrohydraulic) is more expensive and is installed on premium-segment cars and sports models.
The hydraulic one uses a cylinder that is pushed by solenoid valves.
A special liquid is poured into such a box, which allows you to reduce the thought time to 0.05 seconds.
- Since 2003, the Audi and Valkswagen concerns began installing dual-clutch robots on their production cars.
The technology itself was invented back in the 80s of the last century. The box has two shafts at once: one for even gears, the second for odd ones.
The next gear on the adjacent shaft is engaged in advance, but it is open until the required moment. When the electronics decide it is time to switch, one shaft is simultaneously disconnected and the other is connected.
This gear shift is called preselective. Thanks to him, the car gets a very smooth ride, the driver does not notice the switching.
For example, on a Volkswagen Golf it occurs in just 8 milliseconds. If you see the abbreviation DCT (Dual Clatch Transmission), then it is a dual-clutch robot.
Also, in common parlance, it can be designated by the abbreviation DSG, after the name of the box of the Volkswagen concern, but be manufactured by another company (by analogy, the words copier, diaper, etc. appeared in the Russian language)
AMT gearbox
When it comes to the pros and cons of AMT, it’s worth immediately remembering what is an AMT gearbox?
This is a combination of the reliability and low cost of a manual transmission with the convenience of an automatic transmission.
From this we can understand that it combines the pros and cons of both types of transmissions.
pros:
- There is no need to depress the clutch and move the gearshift lever, the computer will do it. Particularly relevant in urban traffic jams.
- Cheaper than an automatic transmission, but there are still two pedals. This gives the convenience of an automatic at a price approaching that of a manual.
- It is more reliable and easier to repair than an automatic transmission, because the gearbox is, in fact, mechanical.
- On many models, you can change gears manually if necessary.
- Fuel consumption is lower than that of cars with automatic transmission and manual transmission. In an automatic transmission, the operating principle itself implies higher consumption, and in a manual transmission, the driver plays a role with his driving style and untimely switching.
- The AMT gearbox weighs less than an automatic transmission. It is suitable for small cars.
- The service life of a dual-clutch robot is longer than that of a manual transmission.
- Less oil required in the box.
What has been improved in AMT
The AMT upgrades of the new Granta are similar to those on the Lada Vesta with 1.8-liter engines:
- The main gear ratio has been increased from 3.710 to 3.940. This means increased fuel consumption, reduced noise and vibration levels in the transmission, and more dynamic acceleration.
- New AMT operating modes have appeared: creeping, sports and winter.
- AMT gear shift time has been reduced by almost a third.
- In the AMT clutch, the driven disc has increased heat resistance and the friction linings have become thicker, which, coupled with new algorithms, makes field driving more confident.
Test drive Lada Granta Cross on a “robot”: tests on the M5 highway and village dirt
Sometimes it is difficult to take on the role of a lawyer because you know in advance that the case will be lost. But it’s either passion, or duty and a matter of honor - and you take it on. It's boring at first: all the scripts are known in advance and differ only in details, like good remakes. But as you dive in, something clicks inside, and the “bartender” you’ve known since birth slips you a strange cocktail of sympathy, empathy and hope... And with this Lada Granta Cross it couldn’t be otherwise.
What does it look like
Everyone has already been able to get an idea of the appearance of Granta Cross. This is the same Kalina Cross, which, after restyling in the summer of 2018, had to unite with the Grants family, forming a powerful clan with the best sales results that have been maintained for many months. If you want a quick summary, the Lada Granta Cross looks great.
What is inside
The interior is expectedly cramped after the same Rio, Solaris and Vesta. It’s only when you sit in the Grant that you feel it somehow especially acutely. Perhaps because you expect a little more from this car. And I have an explanation for this: when Lada didn’t have Vesta, Grant was listed as a competitor to the “Koreans” and Renault Logan. Apparently, the expectation effect works on a subconscious level.
The upholstery is made to match the body color. And the gray one doesn’t look as intrusive as the flashy orange one
The seats are surprisingly comfortable, the cushion under the thigh is just right, the steering wheel is height-adjustable, there is a winter package that includes heated windshield, front seats, exterior mirrors, which, by the way, are adjusted electrically, and there are only two pedals , because an automated manual transmission (AMT) works in tandem with a 106-horsepower VAZ engine. Let us remind you that Lada engineers are protesting against the nickname “robot”.
How Granta Cross rides on a “robot”
When getting behind the wheel of a car - any car that is taken for a test - you should push away any skepticism and baggage of stereotypes. But... it's Lada! The point is not that there is a thesaurus that has developed over years of work - no, in this case everything is more complicated, it is somewhere on the mental level. Therefore, it is difficult to believe that Lada cars can be normal. If Volkswagen’s “robot” breaks down, then what about ours? Moreover, in a video on YouTube some “Andrey Avtomaniac” stated that “the algorithm is stupid”...
But here's what I think: it's impossible to understand a car by renting it for just three hours. You need to become close to him, grow together and then draw some conclusions. Fortunately, the Lada Granta Cross was given to me for a few days, just before the trip from Tolyatti to Bashkortostan planned for the weekend. Before a long trip in the evening I tried it out around the city. More precisely, I refreshed my memories: I managed to test the car back in the summer of 2019 in Adygea, together with VAZ engineers and PR people. And this is a thrill: a car with two pedals in even small traffic jams. It starts smoothly, the main thing is not to press too hard on the gas, and then it will go smoothly and comfortably. If, as usual, you press the gas sharply and all the way, for example, when entering a ring, then the AMT may simply not understand what they want from it and which operating algorithm will be the best.
On the AMT track, the Lada Granta Cross performed well. Sometimes, however, the car reminded me of my grandfather, who, after the IZH Combi, bought himself a “four”. The Kombi has four gears, while the VAZ station wagon has five. But my grandfather stubbornly ignored fifth gear; the engine really roared when the speed approached 100 km/h. Well, whatever you want, force of habit: almost 20 years behind the wheel of IZH.
AMT did not always understand me, and I did not always understand her, and the result was not a ride, but some kind of argument with a stubborn teenager: you know what’s best, but he is sure that the truth is on his side. For example, you are moving in a straight line at a speed of 95-100 km/h, and the on-board computer display indicates 4th gear. (Grandpa, hello!) I can’t say that this caused any particular discomfort, but the vibroacoustics definitely suffered. Only, as it turned out, the “robot” is not to blame for everything.
After three hundred kilometers driving the Lada Granta Cross in this mode, I suddenly remembered my father’s words: “The car doesn’t like sudden movements, everything needs to be done smoothly.” And at that moment, already habitually flying at fourth “cruising” speed, I slightly released the gas pedal... The gearbox engaged fifth. Miracles!
The Lada Granta Cross is equipped with a “robot” version 2.0, which, in addition to clear operation algorithms and smoother switching, is distinguished by the presence of a Sport mode. The activation and deactivation key is located on the center console and can be operated while driving. The owner's manual says that Sport mode is designed for dynamic driving and more intense fuel combustion. There really is a difference in dynamics: the engine picks up speed faster, and the AMT shifts gears later. Actually, there is no need to explain here why VAZ employees warn about increased fuel consumption. During the entire trip, I dabbled in “Sport” only a few times and gave it up.
